Michigan Joe

I just received my three black mags ordered Monday. Nice deal. He used a priority mail envelope. Pretty smart. Probably cheaper than UPS ground.

I love a good rant in the morning! :thumb:

I agree with Kilibreaux. When you compare the specs, there is practically no difference between the different offerings from the same manufacturer. Where a person can get into trouble is the failure to fire percentage between the manufacturers. Most seem to have trouble with the bulk Remingtons. I don't understand what the tactical bullets have that the others don't.

They are both manufactured by the same people, correct? Same mechanics?

When I first started reading this board, I saw that everyone said that you needed to break in most semi-auto pistols by shooting them for 500 to 1000 rounds. Just as predicted, my ISSC M22 pistol took a good 1000 rounds before it suddenly stopped jamming and started to work perfectly. It seemed like it happened overnight. One weekend, it was jamming every magazine or two, then the next, no jams. During the break-in period, I too thought I had received a lemon, the gun's manufacturer was putting out a poor product and the ammo makers were loading their bullets with bellybutton lint. Other than still having my suspicions about Remington's source of powder for their Golden Bullets, breaking the gun in solved the problem.

To those who are considering an ISSC M22 pistol, which sells for $200 most places, I'll bring you up to date on my latest trip to the shooting area out back. I went out back today for about an hour and shot my M22, Browning Buckmark Challenger II (bought in 1983), and the Sig 522 rifle. The only ammo I used was CCI Blazers. They are 40 grain roundnose. I shot as fast as I could load magazines and finished up a 525 bullet box of the Blazers that I had started a few weeks ago. The M22, which had a lot of failures to eject when it was new, repeated its excellent performance this time out. I know for sure that I fired at least 15 full magazines of ten rounds. There was one failure to fire. Zero failures to eject. The gun worked flawlessly. I must have at least 1500 - 2000 rounds through it by now. I recommend that if you buy one you shoot up a 1,000 rounds at least before you judge what it can do. Of course, the Buckmark worked the same way, no problems. I shot up at least 80 rounds, and there was one failure to fire. No failures to eject. By the way, the trigger on the Buckmark is just really super nice and smooth. The trigger on the M22 is really terrible by comparison. I think it needs to be worked on somehow. I wish I knew something about triggers other than when you pull them the gun goes bang. The Sig 522 worked great also. Fired about 120 rounds. No failures to fire, no failures to eject. I think the trigger on that gun is just fine. What a great rifle. I think it is well balanced too. I was shooting most of the time in a sitting position, bracing my elbows on my knees. It feels very natural to shoot. For accuracy, however, the heavy Remington VTR, (with lead shotgun shell shot filling up the cleaning kit cavity in the A2 stock), is really a tack driver. The Sig 522 is just a different type of rifle. A great plinker. I am going to pick up my ISSC MK22 next week and it will have to be something else to beat the Sig 522 for fun. Although, the weight is 7.5 lbs, so it will certainly be different. So, Blazer roundnose ammo did the job today with all three of the guns.

Word has come down from Tactical22.net Headquarters that for members to engage in grass cutting or other yard work activities they must have a permit issued and approved by Headquarters. To meet this requirement, on the day that the yard work is to be performed, the member must fill out the following form and within three (3) days, must mail the form to Headquarters via First Class U.S. Mail. The form, which can be obtained from Headquarters, states as follows: "I hereby swear and affirm that prior to making out this application today, I have presented myself to the local shooting range and have shot at least 300 rounds of .22 ammunition through a tactical type .22 weapon and am now prepared to engage in grass cutting and/or yard work activities for the remainder of the day." The form is to be signed by the member, notarized and witnessed by two persons of voting age, placed in the mail in a suitable envelope addressed to Headquarters. NO yard work is to be performed until Headquarters reviews the application and, after due consideration, approves it, enters the fact of said approval in the official Tactical22.net records, affixes the official Tactical22.net seal and mails the approved permit to the requesting member. Approval normally takes only 10 days. The approved application will be sent back to the member via First Class Mail. Only when the approved application is received by the member may the member, only on the day that the member made the application, perform said yard work. There have been a few somewhat spurious complaints by members' wives that given that the application is only good for the day it is made, and that a piece of U.S. Mail is usually delivered on a day subsequent to the day the piece of mail is presented to the Post Office, it would be impossible for the member to receive approval of the Yard Work application on the day the application was actually made. Even though such complaints seem to be raising mere technicalities, Headquarters has seriously taken these complaints under advisement and respectfully reminds the complaining wives of the service that Headquarters is performing by issuing the permits in the first place. Headquarters also reminds the complaining parties that, while it may be difficult to obtain the permit in a timely manner so as to allow the performance of the Yard Work, the first requirement of gaining approval for the issuance of a Yard Work Permit, i.e., the shooting of 300 rounds of .22 ammunition with a tactical type .22 weapon, certainly can be accomplished without much difficulty and is expected of each member to at least meet that requirement for the permit. Furthermore, said wives are reminded that there is no requirement for a nonTactical22.net resident of the household, e.g., a member's wife, to apply for a Yard Work Permit. A member wife may perform yard work without a permit. However, this does NOT waive the strict requirement that the member obtain a permit before engaging in Yard Work activity. Any such relaxation of the requirement of a Yard Work permit will invariably lead to anarchy, as history has shown time and again. Headquarters will not be responsible for the breaking down of civilization simply to appease the few who seek to avoid obtaining a simple permit. As a result, Headquarters believes that it has been more than accommodating to the wives of its members and will no longer respond to any such similar ridiculous complaints. End Notice.

Well, the picture of your gun makes it a no-brainer. Hope to order mine tomorrow. Thanks for the picture. Michigan Joe

Yesterday I went to sleep in Michigan and woke up in California. Actually, what happened is that I went to pick up my new MK22 and learned that because with the stock removed it was less than 26 inches long, it is classified as a pistol in Michigan and one other State. So, I have to go back with a Pistol purchase permit. They shipped it with the stock removed, and it folds back. Hence, the classification as a pistol. Didn't Ohio used to be part of Conn.'s Western Reserve? Now Conn. wants to export bad gun laws out west. Bet Texasdies not have these problems.

Cool stock!

Welcome to the group!

Hello Gazza. If you don't mind me asking, is it really impossible to get the laws changed to allow semi-autos? Can't there be anything done? Is there a NRA down there?

I sent my money to Buds for the GSG 1911, and was informed by email today that they had sold out before my check got there. Can you buy stock in GSG? I told them to apply it toward a Baretta Neos 6". Black frame. I'll play with that for a while.

I agree. It was a reach.

The heavy barrel looks like the normal target type barrel used on rifles such as the Remington VTR. I'm sure it would increase accuracy. However, the issuance of the heavy barrel does not appear to imply that there was any shortcomings in the 16" standard barrel. It looks like sig wanted to allow shooters to use the gun for competition shooting and long range hunting. Probably would be nice to add some weight to the stock for that kind of work. I added lead shot to my Remington VTR's A1 stock by pouring lead shot into the space where the cleaning kit goes. Balanced it a little better.

I remember Peters ammo back in the sixties and seventies. As was mentioned it was a Remington brand. I don't recall whether it was a premium brand. I want to say that it was. If I recall, their advertisements would show ammo crates with the Peters name on them. Do they make the brand now?

Weird. I saw a site in the UK selling heavy barrels for 100£. So, how do they get the heavy barrels without even going through the trouble of getting the Second Amendment?

Is the barrel hard to switch?

Here near Detroit, either Dick's Sporting Goods or Dunhams was advertising that they bought out the last of the AK 47 models.

Is the heavy barrel available to purchase separately? I can't seem to find it.

As it happens, Buds had the gun with black grips. That's ok with me so I ordered it.

Guess it pays to watch and wait. Congrats!

Best served when old friends "drop in" to have a little talk about old times and return favors, the American way.

I have been buying my guns through Buds and had a GSG 1911 22 on my wish list. Got notified they were in, but by the time I got there , they were gone. They haven't had the colt 1911 22 since I have been looking. It's depressing.

Does anyone have an opinion of these? Widener's has them as C&R eligible. They look pretty neat. Ammo costs about same as 9 mm. Supposed to be pretty solid.